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  (Not?) Hypnotized

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  what you are about to read i've never told anyone before.. why?

  because it is mysterious.. mostly because it is a bit like the corner of your eye.

  you see movement there but you won't be reciting any eye chart letters.what you read next is sort of like that.i don't like to be vague.

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  The video above is partially true. He is describing the lowest levels of hypnosis.

  https://youtu.be/EnojE1R4jKw
  

  The deeper, more useful levels for "programs and agencies," requires skills and techniques beyond those the stage hypnotist is able or willing to reveal.
  
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  (Not?) Hypnotized

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what you are about to read i've never told anyone before.. why?

  because it is mysterious.. mostly because it is a bit like the corner of your eye.

  you see movement there but you won't be reciting any eye chart letters.what you read next is sort of like that.i don't like to be vague.

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  Hmmm. Sounds like you may have an "alter" which can be accessed under certain conditions. Some people develop those spontaneously for unknown reasons while others require severe trauma to create the alter.

  Yours seems to be a skilled writer. Is it you? Yes, it is. At some point in time it should integrate with your consciousness, but perhaps not...

  It's a relatively rare condition.
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

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  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  Question from Coded Logic:

  I'm not sure I quite follow. How does creationism explain consciousness?

  Presently, the same way "Evolutionists" do: It is a mystery which we have yet to comprehend.

  There are so many things we do not yet know about Life.

  Evolutionists strive to explain the "how" without in many instances searching for the "why?"

  By the way, Evolutionists are are really just Creationists who haven't yet "hit the wall." As they proceed in their quest for answers they will, should they persist, hit that wall where it is finally acknowledged that Creation can be the only possible explanation.

  Some hit it more rapidly that others, but we all will find it when we look very deeply at all of the evidence. The Wall changes minds.
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  Quote by Coded Logic:

  Evolution says nothing more about "thought" than it does any other aspect of our physiology - that is to say that it is "useful". Having legs is useful. Feet allows us to get around while foraging for food or running from predators or finding mates - etc. Likewise, the ability to process information is "useful". Creatures that can understand and make sense of their environments have a distinct survival advantage. Other than that - why should evolution explain the "origins" of thought (whatever the hell that means). Evolution may explain "why" we have thought. But it's absurd to think that it should explain what thought is.

  Evolution chooses not to go there while Creation does. Can thoughts or the processing of environmental conditions to make decisions be separated from the entirety of living? Each species does seem to be "hardwired" to perform certain necessary tasks. Creation offers a plausible solution to the mystery in that it encompasses each and every characteristic in the design of life. The whole enchilada.
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  Quote from TD:

  I was referring to immutability of species, which is a mainstay of creationism. You seem to have your own perspective on this, but I can't argue against that, without knowing what it is.

  I'm not locked in to any simplistic Creation Model which lacks flexibility and/or potential for numerous Creative Options on the part of the Creators. Too much of either theory (Evolution or Creation) is based upon presumption; and who are we to pass speculative judgment on life processes which are so mysterious and so remarkable? To claim that thoughts and the "spark of life" itself are naught more than electro-chemical activities within cells or the brain is insufficient.

  However the Creators did it, they left us a "record" to stimulate thought and to pursue comprehension. We have been given mental powers to try to figure it all out. I believe that is an aspect of the Plan of Creation as well. Challenging our capabilities.
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  ...but you better don your flame retarding suit if your gonna raise questions about evolution on this thread .

  Good point. Fortunately I have one of those that has served me well for several decades. It was embryonically formed while in Navy Boot Camp where us "recruits" were carefully instructed in how we would come to appreciate that "there is a right way, there is a wrong way, and there is the Navy Way!"

  Then aboard ship that suit really got fully formed and hardened. Navy Petty Officers are especially good at "ass chewings" and assigning "shit details" to inculcate the desired "behavior modifications."

  This erstwhile forum, by comparison, is a Rose Garden.
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  Quote from TD:

  Evolutionary theory is an attempt to explain this phenomenon, but it is not perfect and it is not complete. But this acknowledgement is not quite the same thing as saying the phenomenon itself doesn't exist. Or that it even remotely resembles the creation model.

  I wonder if the "Creation Model" is an accurate depiction. The geologic fossil "record" indicates that there have been numerous extinction events followed by explosions of new life forms as Earth conditions changed in our distant past. That may (and I tend to believe it is) be the correct Creation Model: various types of "creatures" were brought into existence at those times in Earths' development when they could contribute most to what was needed to be done. They had a necessary job to do within their time-frame while gradually making Earth and its atmosphere into what it eventually became at the advent of Man.

  A well planned "Creation" would be designed to accomplish specific functions and to either adapt or be replaced by new species as conditions gradually progressed towards the end goal.
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  Quote from Drive By:

  I was referring to religions that are harmful. I would go into it in more detail but that would be drifting too far from the thread which was about asking cofty to explain evolution.

  I agree whole-heartedly.
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  Question from Hot Habanero:

  You don't think darwinism can/should explain the origin of thought?

  I doubt that anyone can technically explain the origin of thought or sentience. But, as an essential characteristic of the various species, it certainly indicates that a designer was involved in getting all of the components of "life" in their proper places.

  While we presently are inclined to follow the belief systems (or religions) which we find agreeable to our heart condition, one day future we shall know all. Whether we discover it all through Scientific Process or whether it is revealed by those above us who know; the secrets will be shared with all who seek Truth. As a matter of fact, the numbers of Scientists who believe a Creator with immense knowledge has put life on Earth is slowly growing. It is important to examine all of the evidence. To leave no stone un-turned. Do not disregard any evidence which seems to cast doubt upon our wishes and biases.
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  Quote from DriveBy:

  No one as long as they keep it to themselves.

  Who are "they" and what is "it" that they should keep to themselves?

  You wouldn't be advocating censorship or non-freedom of speech, wouldja now?
  

  What the heck; I guess there are some who would prefer to live in a bubble...